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	<title>Comments on: Just holding a cell phone while behind the wheel is now against the law</title>
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		<title>By: AL</title>
		<link>http://www.kelowna.com/2010/01/04/just-holding-a-cell-phone-is-now-against-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-8953</link>
		<dc:creator>AL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I understand the law in principle, surely if the Provincial Government is serious about ridding the roads of driver distractions they would also include drivers putting on make-up, riding with pets in the front passenger seat (or on laps), folks wolfing down food while driving, etc... all of which are equally if not more distracting than talking on a cell phone. It should also be noted that with so many &#039;fixed&#039; gadgets in cars today from GPS displays to complex stereo systems, on-board satellite radios, Ceiling mounted DVD players, etc... there are plenty of non-handheld devices to distract drivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I understand the law in principle, surely if the Provincial Government is serious about ridding the roads of driver distractions they would also include drivers putting on make-up, riding with pets in the front passenger seat (or on laps), folks wolfing down food while driving, etc&#8230; all of which are equally if not more distracting than talking on a cell phone. It should also be noted that with so many &#8216;fixed&#8217; gadgets in cars today from GPS displays to complex stereo systems, on-board satellite radios, Ceiling mounted DVD players, etc&#8230; there are plenty of non-handheld devices to distract drivers.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, I agree with the new law to a point. If they are so concered about distractions while driving, what about those who read paper work on the way home from work, even some girls that are doing their hair, or putting on make up in the car because they left late? ( not trying to be sexist, just trying to prove a point ). I find that having a pasenger in the car is more of a distraction then talking to someone on a hands free device, your more likely to look over at them while your talking, then if you were on the phone. For someone who has their class 5 is able to use a bluetooth, and a navigation device, but if you are a learner or a novice driver your not allowed at all. I can understand for a learner, becuase they are Learning how to drive, but and novice driver??? I just want to say that I have my N and can get rid of it at anytime, but to say just because i have an N on the back of my car, I cant use anything, is a little harsh concidering, the day I pass my test, i can go on the phone hands free right away.., it just doesnt make sense. Dont get me wrong, I do see what their saying, I agree with hands free, but look at those who do other things in car while driving, that can and are more of a distraction then a phone call

thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, I agree with the new law to a point. If they are so concered about distractions while driving, what about those who read paper work on the way home from work, even some girls that are doing their hair, or putting on make up in the car because they left late? ( not trying to be sexist, just trying to prove a point ). I find that having a pasenger in the car is more of a distraction then talking to someone on a hands free device, your more likely to look over at them while your talking, then if you were on the phone. For someone who has their class 5 is able to use a bluetooth, and a navigation device, but if you are a learner or a novice driver your not allowed at all. I can understand for a learner, becuase they are Learning how to drive, but and novice driver??? I just want to say that I have my N and can get rid of it at anytime, but to say just because i have an N on the back of my car, I cant use anything, is a little harsh concidering, the day I pass my test, i can go on the phone hands free right away.., it just doesnt make sense. Dont get me wrong, I do see what their saying, I agree with hands free, but look at those who do other things in car while driving, that can and are more of a distraction then a phone call</p>
<p>thank you</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
		<link>http://www.kelowna.com/2010/01/04/just-holding-a-cell-phone-is-now-against-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-8854</link>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will the RCMP do when drivers start putting phones in their body? It is just beggining of a new trend.
As for the plate issue, License plates are the biggest security flaw when exposed to the right mind. 
screw your law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will the RCMP do when drivers start putting phones in their body? It is just beggining of a new trend.<br />
As for the plate issue, License plates are the biggest security flaw when exposed to the right mind.<br />
screw your law.</p>
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		<title>By: gkvp</title>
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		<dc:creator>gkvp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;is an electric vibrator considered an electronic device?&quot;

No it is electric - therefore jail immediately without any chance for parole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;is an electric vibrator considered an electronic device?&#8221;</p>
<p>No it is electric &#8211; therefore jail immediately without any chance for parole</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is an electric vibrator considered an electronic device?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is an electric vibrator considered an electronic device?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter William Lount</title>
		<link>http://www.kelowna.com/2010/01/04/just-holding-a-cell-phone-is-now-against-the-law/comment-page-1/#comment-8762</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter William Lount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This cell phone ban really isn’t about making the roads any safer. It’s really just about ICBC having an easier time to prosecute people so that they don’t have to do any actual hard work of proving driver distraction in each case as they did last week.

Now ICBC can just magically say that you were distracted without having to actually prove it in your case. That makes their job so much easier that it’s not funny. As a bonus ICBC won’t have to pay for your claim since you’re guilty of a crime by default if you were using a device in your car.

One reason that this law is unconstitutional is that in Canada we have the right to be presumed innocent until we are proven guilty (“11(d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty …”). This cell phone ban attempts to by pass this important constitutional protection and place the burden upon us saying that we are guilty of diminished capacity just because we were using a cell phone in our hands rather than in a speaker mode. In effect we’ll have to prove that were are not guilty of the assumed crime of diminished capacity or loss of focus or however they magically word it in sly tongued legalese.

My comment continues here: The BC Cell Phone Ban is an Unconstutional Power Grab by ICBC to Avoid Paying Out Claims. http://pathstoknowledge.net/2010/01/05/the-bc-cell-phone-ban-is-an-unconstutional-power-grab-by-icbc-to-avoid-paying-out-claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cell phone ban really isn’t about making the roads any safer. It’s really just about ICBC having an easier time to prosecute people so that they don’t have to do any actual hard work of proving driver distraction in each case as they did last week.</p>
<p>Now ICBC can just magically say that you were distracted without having to actually prove it in your case. That makes their job so much easier that it’s not funny. As a bonus ICBC won’t have to pay for your claim since you’re guilty of a crime by default if you were using a device in your car.</p>
<p>One reason that this law is unconstitutional is that in Canada we have the right to be presumed innocent until we are proven guilty (“11(d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty …”). This cell phone ban attempts to by pass this important constitutional protection and place the burden upon us saying that we are guilty of diminished capacity just because we were using a cell phone in our hands rather than in a speaker mode. In effect we’ll have to prove that were are not guilty of the assumed crime of diminished capacity or loss of focus or however they magically word it in sly tongued legalese.</p>
<p>My comment continues here: The BC Cell Phone Ban is an Unconstutional Power Grab by ICBC to Avoid Paying Out Claims. <a href="http://pathstoknowledge.net/2010/01/05/the-bc-cell-phone-ban-is-an-unconstutional-power-grab-by-icbc-to-avoid-paying-out-claims" rel="nofollow">http://pathstoknowledge.net/2010/01/05/the-bc-cell-phone-ban-is-an-unconstutional-power-grab-by-icbc-to-avoid-paying-out-claims</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: gkvp</title>
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		<dc:creator>gkvp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, agree with you absolutely!

Except for a couple of statements:

“I think we’ll see that there are many defenses against this insane law and it’s very possible that it will be struck down as unconstitutional in a free country that values it’s freedom.”

Which country you are talking about? Canada? This country became corrupted police state long time ago, thanks to speechless citizens (with rare exceptions like you) who open there mouths just to repeat what they heard on TV. I think you are way overoptimistic with your statement.
  
“Failing an actual problem, such as an accident, it well neigh impossible for them to prove that a driver has “diminished capacity” just because they were using a cell phone”

For long time already nobody having authority (even a bit of it) needs to prove anything. You can be stopped and fined for nothing. In Ontario, for example, you can be even thrown out of your car and you vehicle be towed away just because a cop decided that you were driving over 50 in posted zone. Oh yes, you can go to court later (“where it will be your word against the cop” – ha, ha, ha), you are even encouraged to hire a lawyer, and you can even win the case later, with a little drawback though – you immediately loose a few thousand dollars (towing, fee for vehicle storage, lawyer etc.) which go directly into system in order to feed those hungry mouths. Anyone wants to discuss real taxation level in Canada?

“Fight these charges in court. File counter charges against officers, prosecutors, court staff, government members and staff, and judges who implement this draconian police state tactic of control over you”. 
Did you try? If yes, share your experience. I tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, agree with you absolutely!</p>
<p>Except for a couple of statements:</p>
<p>“I think we’ll see that there are many defenses against this insane law and it’s very possible that it will be struck down as unconstitutional in a free country that values it’s freedom.”</p>
<p>Which country you are talking about? Canada? This country became corrupted police state long time ago, thanks to speechless citizens (with rare exceptions like you) who open there mouths just to repeat what they heard on TV. I think you are way overoptimistic with your statement.</p>
<p>“Failing an actual problem, such as an accident, it well neigh impossible for them to prove that a driver has “diminished capacity” just because they were using a cell phone”</p>
<p>For long time already nobody having authority (even a bit of it) needs to prove anything. You can be stopped and fined for nothing. In Ontario, for example, you can be even thrown out of your car and you vehicle be towed away just because a cop decided that you were driving over 50 in posted zone. Oh yes, you can go to court later (“where it will be your word against the cop” – ha, ha, ha), you are even encouraged to hire a lawyer, and you can even win the case later, with a little drawback though – you immediately loose a few thousand dollars (towing, fee for vehicle storage, lawyer etc.) which go directly into system in order to feed those hungry mouths. Anyone wants to discuss real taxation level in Canada?</p>
<p>“Fight these charges in court. File counter charges against officers, prosecutors, court staff, government members and staff, and judges who implement this draconian police state tactic of control over you”.<br />
Did you try? If yes, share your experience. I tried.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Peter William Lount,

I see where you&#039;re coming from and I agree that they should be going after the actual problem, not just blanketing everyone with this law. However, the resources don&#039;t exists for this to happen and probably never will. I figure that my right to use a cell phone while I drive is not worth someone&#039;s life. I use a Bluetooth headset and I don&#039;t text while I drive, but I don&#039;t want the person next to me texting while they drive at 100km/h+ on a highway. Unfortunately this does happen and it will cause accidents. The law was created because there are idiots who text and do various other things that they shouldn&#039;t be doing while driving. Yes it affects the rest of us, but if it saves a life, it is worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Peter William Lount,</p>
<p>I see where you&#8217;re coming from and I agree that they should be going after the actual problem, not just blanketing everyone with this law. However, the resources don&#8217;t exists for this to happen and probably never will. I figure that my right to use a cell phone while I drive is not worth someone&#8217;s life. I use a Bluetooth headset and I don&#8217;t text while I drive, but I don&#8217;t want the person next to me texting while they drive at 100km/h+ on a highway. Unfortunately this does happen and it will cause accidents. The law was created because there are idiots who text and do various other things that they shouldn&#8217;t be doing while driving. Yes it affects the rest of us, but if it saves a life, it is worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an Albertan and I want a cellphone law here just like B.C. and Saskatchewan.  I don&#039;t get the whining over this.  Because I don&#039;t use a cell phone while driving I&#039;m more aware.  I&#039;ve actually avoided about 10 collisions with others who were using cell phones.  If I were distracted by the phone as well, one or more of those avoidances would have been a collision.  This is no different than the seatbelt law.  We shouldn&#039;t need a law but without it, there would be many more injuries.  So buckle up and shut up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Albertan and I want a cellphone law here just like B.C. and Saskatchewan.  I don&#8217;t get the whining over this.  Because I don&#8217;t use a cell phone while driving I&#8217;m more aware.  I&#8217;ve actually avoided about 10 collisions with others who were using cell phones.  If I were distracted by the phone as well, one or more of those avoidances would have been a collision.  This is no different than the seatbelt law.  We shouldn&#8217;t need a law but without it, there would be many more injuries.  So buckle up and shut up!</p>
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		<title>By: lenard bruckshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>lenard bruckshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree that texting,etc distracts one&#039;s attiontion, to what going on around you when your driving.I belive there is still the law on the books in regards to driving with both hand on wheel, except to shift gears etc, in regsrd to operate of car. then we are doing same thing drinking coffee, eating burger,and the list can go on and on.Fireman police, emergency drivers,this inplying that they are trained experts, yet the rest of us are not capable of doing same thing.SO four cops can trazer an older man five times and same they feared for they life&#039;s.If there men are breaking down my door and I use large knife steel bar I&#039;m in the wrong, as I used greater force. The mian reasoning to this is you or some one esle could be hurt, like bike helmets,seat belts ansd so on, Guess next week no skiing, skydiving, swining,playing of golf, and why not no more hockey as all actions could injure you or someone else.the goverment has been taxing the smoker to and early grave, yet again they do just ban it as OH NO we the goverment would lost to much in taxs and too many people out of work. Again they say they are deserve so much more in wages an golden hand shake pensions. When are we the people going to demand wise  and smart men and women to be there to guide the&#039;re countrymen  in making well throught out choice&#039;s in what we the people want and need not what a few select in the ruling goverment think and order the rest of party in power to push it thougt and call that a democredit ruling party. So I&#039;m going to sign off with a statement I&#039;ve come too beleive in  those few that destory one another to get said power&#039; should be banned from doing so as the&#039;re more dangerous to us as leader then all cellphone drivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that texting,etc distracts one&#8217;s attiontion, to what going on around you when your driving.I belive there is still the law on the books in regards to driving with both hand on wheel, except to shift gears etc, in regsrd to operate of car. then we are doing same thing drinking coffee, eating burger,and the list can go on and on.Fireman police, emergency drivers,this inplying that they are trained experts, yet the rest of us are not capable of doing same thing.SO four cops can trazer an older man five times and same they feared for they life&#8217;s.If there men are breaking down my door and I use large knife steel bar I&#8217;m in the wrong, as I used greater force. The mian reasoning to this is you or some one esle could be hurt, like bike helmets,seat belts ansd so on, Guess next week no skiing, skydiving, swining,playing of golf, and why not no more hockey as all actions could injure you or someone else.the goverment has been taxing the smoker to and early grave, yet again they do just ban it as OH NO we the goverment would lost to much in taxs and too many people out of work. Again they say they are deserve so much more in wages an golden hand shake pensions. When are we the people going to demand wise  and smart men and women to be there to guide the&#8217;re countrymen  in making well throught out choice&#8217;s in what we the people want and need not what a few select in the ruling goverment think and order the rest of party in power to push it thougt and call that a democredit ruling party. So I&#8217;m going to sign off with a statement I&#8217;ve come too beleive in  those few that destory one another to get said power&#8217; should be banned from doing so as the&#8217;re more dangerous to us as leader then all cellphone drivers.</p>
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