Gee whiz, relax child. There’s no need to get tumescent with me. John is not saying that he agrees with those that think of transsexuality as deviant behavior. He makes the point that the stereotype of “getting off by wearing dresses” is absurd and incorrect concerning transsexuals. He admits at first he did not understand the distinction between TG and TS, but now he understands that TRANSSEXUALISM is not about cross-dressing behavior. No, he doesn’t use those exact words. There is also a distinction between reading and comprehending what you read. It doesn’t help US transsexuals when one of us misunderstands what they’ve read and then flies off the handle. Understand?

>I hadn’t really thought of transsexuality as being a >state of mind, but more of a sexual fetish, but hey, it’s >a free world and who was I to criticize

OPEN YOUR EYES !!!! What an idiot!

>I know there’s many who think of transsexuality as >deviant behaviour, but ask yourself this simple question; >would someone knowingly put themselves through all that >hate, prejudice and pain just so they could get off >wearing a dress.

WHY WOULD HE REFER TO THIS AS TRANSSEXUALITY? When this is clearly a case of Transgenderism!

This is a good example of how more crap ends up screewing TS’s lives up, gets into academic circles and their crap gets cited in other academic papers, which causes TS people unending problems!!

~Angie

> I know there’s many who think of transsexuality as
> deviant behaviour, but ask yourself this simple question;
> would someone knowingly put themselves through all that
> hate, prejudice and pain just so they could get off wearing
> a dress?

His lack of knowledge puts him right along with the rest of the stereotypes, thinking were sexual deviants LOL!. This is more like it Mr.> TG’s love to be a ‘man in a dress’ and will do anything for this! There ya go, now he could be learning! He would of known dam well this is what transgender people do if he had done any research on Transsexuals! I agree with a certain comment, Im of course also female mindset.. Yes, that was ugly when I did witness this from a so called friend “under the pretense” of a woman, TS. That was f ing gross when I came witnessed that.. I deserve to speak my piece> their is nothing more gross to me then when a guy (TG)pretends to be a woman and “is a guy” (that gets in my space) cant help but to gag. TG=male, TS=women understand that firstly and youll do fine.

~Angie

If you’re in the OK Valley and are interested in seeing what’s out there, you can either stop by our weekly meetings (they’re incredibly informal) or get in touch with me.

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1.DF Swaab, WC Chung, FP Kruijver, MA Hofman, TA Ishunina
Structural and functional sex differences in the human hypothalamus
Horm Behav. Sep, 2001; 40(2): 93-8.

2. DF Swaab
Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and sexual orientation
Gynecol Endocrinol. Dec, 2004; 19(6): 301-12.

3.IE Sommer, PT Cohen-Kettenis, T van Raalten, AJ Vd Veer, LE Ramsey, LJ Gooren, RS Kahn, NF Ramsey
Effects of cross-sex hormones on cerebral activation during language and mental rotation: An fMRI study in transsexuals
Eur Neuropsychopharmacol. Mar 2008; 18(3): 215-21.

4.H Berglund, P Lindstrom, C Dhejne-Helmy, I Savic
Male to female transsexuals show sex-atypical hypothalamus activation when smelling odorous steroids
Cereb Cortex. Aug 2008; 18(8): 1900-8.

The brain is a sexually differentiated organ. Trans people have cross-sexed brains in certain areas. This can be shown by MRI scans and autopsies. As Prof Ecker wrote :
“We spoke for 2 1/2 hours on why cross gender identity was a normal inherited variation of humans. We showed how Transgender Brains think, smell, and hear like the opposite sex.”

Why this cross-sexed neurology universally leads to a cross-sexed gender identity is less well understood, but Prof Milton Diamond’s Biased-Interaction Theory of Psychosexual Development explains at least some cases very well indeed. Testing it is problematic, we have to rely on “Nature’s Experiments”, those with rare Intersex conditions for experimental data. So far its predictions have been born out with amazing accuracy, but data points are so few the best we can say is that it appears plausible, and that no other conjecture does.

There’s been quite a lot of progress on this since the 1996 paper in Nature.

For some of us, the scientific evidence is there, chromosones are not absolute. We assume that there are only two possiblities but even that is in error.

In my situation I found out that I was XXY not XX (female) or XY (male). I was born with the outward male characteristics but as puberty arrived massive doses of testosterone where pumped into me to keep me that way. I am now much older and have fought the depression, anxiety, suicide and ultimately being myself until I could fight it no longer. I am well into transitioning and now feel more alive, healthy and passionate for life than I ever did in the past.

But the lack of understanding and education of others makes it scary to head out each day to live a normal life. It shouldn’t be that way for anyone, but many of us live in fear for our lives everyday in a country that is one of the safest in the world.

In answer to Seàn, yes there is a mental component to it, Gender Dysphoria which is rather well documented. But then everyone has a mental component to who they are. Why would you need scientific proof?

That would be like asking one to prove oneself “normal”. For most of us the only way to get any where near “normal” is to transition to who we are, so that our presentation matches our expectations.

John, as far as the “man in a dress” I would venture to say that when one’s mindset is female it’s hard to understand what “man in a dress” really means, knowing full well that when that has been directed at me it has really hurt deeply.

Thank you for venturing into this subject.

Sean, thanks for your contribution.
Unfortunately, you don’t seem to know anything about the condition and haven’t cared enough to do any decent amount of research on transsexuality (or schizophrenia) before you typed your post.

If you had, you would have discovered that during the assessment process in the treatment of transsexuals by mental health experts, schizophrenic psychosis must be ruled out – otherwise the patient will not be permitted to proceed to the next stage (whether that be the start of cross sex hormones or the more comprehensive assessment done by 2 independent psychiatrists / PhD level psychologists before surgery)

This is relatively easy for the mental health professional, since;

1.) The assessment period normally involves multiple, regular visits over a period of several months. During that period, psychosis would be discovered.

2.) Schizophrenic psychosis presents completely differently.

If you do actually have any theories that are even somewhat plausible, I welcome you to post them here.
I’d be interested in hearing about “people presenting false evidence”