Comments on: City to release other versions of new logo http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/ Kelowna. Right Now! Sat, 02 Oct 2010 19:12:54 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Little http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1346 Little Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:09:45 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1346 Wow! What a rip off! I see that Splash Design has done mainly work for the City of Kelowna... Don't tell they are the only ones available in Kelowna for graphic design... The city sure has tons of money to spend with only one company for graphics. Should all these projects have been advertised so other companies could bid on the design project? It really sounds strange to me and on top of that teh new logo... It is not ugly, but doesn't have anything to do with Kelowna and it is a copy. It is way too much to expect it to be a coincidence, don't you think? Wow! What a rip off! I see that Splash Design has done mainly work for the City of Kelowna… Don’t tell they are the only ones available in Kelowna for graphic design… The city sure has tons of money to spend with only one company for graphics. Should all these projects have been advertised so other companies could bid on the design project? It really sounds strange to me and on top of that teh new logo… It is not ugly, but doesn’t have anything to do with Kelowna and it is a copy. It is way too much to expect it to be a coincidence, don’t you think?

]]> By: Quest http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1345 Quest Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:57:05 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1345 Well, it was 'copied' alright! But what concerns me the mmost is the amount paid for this... Who approves $80K for a logo??? I really would like to know all that so I can place my vote in the right hands next time. The same goes for a metal sculpture just before the bridge $250K... What are these people throwing money away like this??? I wish the people elected had more respet for tax money. If it was from their pockets, would they pay this much?? Well, it was ‘copied’ alright! But what concerns me the mmost is the amount paid for this… Who approves $80K for a logo??? I really would like to know all that so I can place my vote in the right hands next time. The same goes for a metal sculpture just before the bridge $250K… What are these people throwing money away like this??? I wish the people elected had more respet for tax money. If it was from their pockets, would they pay this much??

]]> By: jiri http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1283 jiri Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:33:43 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1283 Thank you Marshall for not abandoning this cause and for asking questions.I'll keep my fingers crossed for the sucess of your quest.Good luck. I am still convinced though that all parties involved and especially the public may benefit from a thorough and unbiased investigation.Investigations work or are supposed to work both ways. Who knows, we may be told at the end that Mr. Martin's work is a bona fide original and then feel ashamed that we ever suspected otherwise. Jiri Thank you Marshall for not abandoning this cause and for asking questions.I’ll keep my fingers crossed for the sucess of your quest.Good luck.
I am still convinced though that all parties involved and especially the public may benefit from a thorough and unbiased investigation.Investigations work or are supposed to work both ways. Who knows, we may be told at the end that Mr. Martin’s work is a bona fide original and then feel ashamed that we ever suspected otherwise.

Jiri

]]> By: Marshall Jones http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1266 Marshall Jones Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:59:21 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1266 Hi Jiri and others, Thanks for your time and interest but I couldn't approve your comments. As I said earlier on this thread—and why I sought private communication with you, Jiri—we are legally and morally obligated to edit any statements making criminal accusations such as fraud or unfounded claims of plagiarism. Suffice to say, there have been many comments we had to delete. Please share your position and by all means state what you think happened. If you refrain from making judgments that only a court may make, I am sure they will be approved. One day, perhaps we can debate the libel laws in this country and I am sure we will agree with each other. As a quick update on this story, kelowna.com has asked the City of Kelowna to make available many of the documents that led to the approval of the logo in question. If all is as the designer Phred Martin said, there will be iterations of the design—submitted and date-stamped—to show the process of creation. We also wanted to see other design considerations. While we are still in discussion, the City has thus far taken the position that all other designs belong to the designer and he is free to use them for other clients. We are currently considering the merits of a Freedom of Information request so we can determine, perhaps with the help of the Freedom of Information and Privacy Commissioner, whether the rights of a private enterprise engaged in a process with a public body trumps the right of taxpayers to find out what happened behind those closed doors. There are many aspects to this story yet to be uncovered. In the meantime, Phred Martin said he had earlier iterations of his work, including pencil drawings. We have asked him several times now to share with us the earlier iterations of his drawing. They may be proof of what he told us. Mr. Martin hasn't returned any of our phone calls since his interviews. Stay tuned. Marshall Jones, editor Kelowna.com Hi Jiri and others,
Thanks for your time and interest but I couldn’t approve your comments. As I said earlier on this thread—and why I sought private communication with you, Jiri—we are legally and morally obligated to edit any statements making criminal accusations such as fraud or unfounded claims of plagiarism. Suffice to say, there have been many comments we had to delete.
Please share your position and by all means state what you think happened. If you refrain from making judgments that only a court may make, I am sure they will be approved. One day, perhaps we can debate the libel laws in this country and I am sure we will agree with each other.
As a quick update on this story, kelowna.com has asked the City of Kelowna to make available many of the documents that led to the approval of the logo in question. If all is as the designer Phred Martin said, there will be iterations of the design—submitted and date-stamped—to show the process of creation. We also wanted to see other design considerations. While we are still in discussion, the City has thus far taken the position that all other designs belong to the designer and he is free to use them for other clients. We are currently considering the merits of a Freedom of Information request so we can determine, perhaps with the help of the Freedom of Information and Privacy Commissioner, whether the rights of a private enterprise engaged in a process with a public body trumps the right of taxpayers to find out what happened behind those closed doors. There are many aspects to this story yet to be uncovered.
In the meantime, Phred Martin said he had earlier iterations of his work, including pencil drawings. We have asked him several times now to share with us the earlier iterations of his drawing. They may be proof of what he told us.
Mr. Martin hasn’t returned any of our phone calls since his interviews.
Stay tuned.

Marshall Jones, editor
Kelowna.com

]]> By: jiri kratina http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1263 jiri kratina Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:30:56 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1263 Hi there editors. I sent you a comment regarding the new logo and another, revised comment, a day latter. Could someone explain to me why neither one of them was published. Thank you Jiri Hi there editors. I sent you a comment regarding the new logo and another, revised comment, a day latter. Could someone explain to me why neither one of them was published.

Thank you

Jiri

]]> By: Rhonda http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1073 Rhonda Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:11:54 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1073 I think the logo is boring, looks like something my kids could have make with spiral making kit, remeber those as kids. I think they should have gone to the public for ideas, they would have come up with some pretty unique ones. This logo does not say Kelowna at all. They need something more original and unique. There is no effort put in this logo, anyone can make that on a computer. Come on Kelowna you can do better. I think the logo is boring, looks like something my kids could have make with spiral making kit, remeber those as kids. I think they should have gone to the public for ideas, they would have come up with some pretty unique ones. This logo does not say Kelowna at all. They need something more original and unique. There is no effort put in this logo, anyone can make that on a computer. Come on Kelowna you can do better.

]]> By: Scott http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1040 Scott Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:11:31 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1040 All he did was reverse the red and blue outward spikes to be pointed inward. That takes, say, 30 seconds? No one deserves $10K for this. I would expect someone to put in a reasonable amount of effort and time to create a NEW design that would be symbolic of the community and resources. His design is a joke and he's just lazy. All he did was reverse the red and blue outward spikes to be pointed inward. That takes, say, 30 seconds? No one deserves $10K for this. I would expect someone to put in a reasonable amount of effort and time to create a NEW design that would be symbolic of the community and resources. His design is a joke and he’s just lazy.

]]> By: eman http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1007 eman Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:30:44 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1007 hmm…in reviewing the work of Splash Design – the firm responsible for this fiasco, I can tell you that their overall work is 'desktop publishing' at best. their body of work is full of tricks, bells, whistles one usually finds in 'desktop publishing' how-to manuals. to use a 'generic' stock image of a water splash, complete with gradients et al (to convey the firm's business) reveals a lot about the firm's inexperience…and that comes from the creative director or their senior designer. in an age where agencies spews off 'brand jargon' such as brand loyalty, brand equity, brand message, etc, I can only make a sound conclusion that this is the case where an articulate pitchman won. I have nothing against the proposed logo itself–but personally, it resembles the bp (British Petroleum) symbol. better yet, look at patterns from the culture of the Middle East where motifs such as these can be found. and where is the genuine concept connected to Kelowna? I would be more interested in the design research and rationale than seeing the other shortlisted submission. a seasoned designer with 'real world' experience can tell right away…and yes, I'm one of them. I can only hope that Kelowna Museum not suffer the same fate. hmm…in reviewing the work of Splash Design – the firm responsible for this fiasco,
I can tell you that their overall work is ‘desktop publishing’ at best. their body of work is full of tricks, bells, whistles one usually finds in ‘desktop publishing’ how-to manuals. to use a ‘generic’ stock image of a water splash, complete with gradients et al (to convey the firm’s business) reveals a lot about the firm’s inexperience…and that comes from the creative director or their senior designer.

in an age where agencies spews off ‘brand jargon’ such as brand loyalty, brand equity, brand message, etc, I can only make a sound conclusion that this is the case where an articulate pitchman won. I have nothing against the proposed logo itself–but personally, it resembles the bp (British Petroleum) symbol. better yet, look at patterns from the culture of the Middle East where motifs such as these can be found. and where is the genuine concept connected to Kelowna? I would be more interested in the design research and rationale than seeing the other shortlisted submission. a seasoned designer with ‘real world’ experience can tell right away…and yes, I’m one of them.

I can only hope that Kelowna Museum not suffer the same fate.

]]> By: cousinavi http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-1000 cousinavi Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:50:45 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-1000 I made with Spyrograph! I made with Spyrograph!

]]> By: Pop Ovidiu sebastian http://www.kelowna.com/2009/08/12/city-plans-to-release-other-versions-of-new-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-999 Pop Ovidiu sebastian Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:04:10 +0000 /?p=52538#comment-999 1st one is expanding. 2nd one is contracting. it's a big difference 1st one is expanding.
2nd one is contracting.
it’s a big difference

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